So that with security everything gets broken, one will have itself to endeavor that everything remains with the old. A man of the apparatus and Strukturerhalter would be in this sense a first class candidate.

(, Münster kreuz.net) the beginning of the new church yearly at the first Adventssonntag is a favorable instant for the publication of the new bishop von Münster.

The explained journalist the Johannes Loy (45) on 16 November in `the Borkener Zeitung'.

Loy reminds of that the Münsteraner bishop Franz Peter Tebartz van Elst at the 1st Adventssonntag was appointed 2007 the new bishop by Limburg.

In Münster the cathedral chapter selects the new bishop from a three-list. It already sent a list of candidates in April to the citizen of Berlin Nuntius.

The remaining local bishops in the area earlier Prussia - from Görlitz to Cologne - likewise passed their favorites on in accordance with the concordat rules of 1929.

Thus the Nuntius must probably work on information about the identifications according to data of Loy „between twenty and forty proposals and under strictest discretion catch up. “

Whom faithfully?
Roman line loyalty is considered as the highest criterion - Loy believes: „It explains why some candidates express themselves publicly extremely carefully or avoid controversial issues. A wrong or misleading sentence, and the chances are there. “

Then he quotes the old liberal old bishop of Innsbruck, Mons. Reinhold Stecher (86).

This defendant recently that Rome tends to more with the bishop appointments of the past years „to the governor instead of to the herdsman “and the conditions of the Seelsorgspriester in the hierarchy „to a large extent no longer “are present.

That leads emotional alienation to one „“between believers and the church hierarchy.

They meet and meet - and it does not dawn
The Roman Bischofskongregation meets twice in the month. If German topics line up, the cardinals Joachim Meisner from Cologne and Karl Lehmann from Mainz - according to data of Loy - are safe „to the place “.

Loys assumption: „Straight line Meisner might have an interest in it, a man of its confidence, possibly Cologne bishop to intersperse for Münster. “

Of the Bischofskongregation go a possibly changed three-list to the Pope, who amends these possibly again. Finally three names land with the münsterschen cathedral chapter, which selects the new bishop.

If the absolute majority does not come into first two secret ballots, in the third ballot with simple majority one selects.

Only after the agreement of the federal state governments of North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony the name of the selecting goes again to Rome and by the Pope is appointed there.

The potential social climbers
The experience in the diocese Münster speaks one for the choice „native ones “, past occupation practice under Benedikt XVI. rather for a foreign bishop - Loy explains.

As a candidate the Münsteraner calls bishops, Mons. Franz Josef Overbeck (44) and Mons. Heinrich Timmerevers (56).

The Cologne bishops Heiner cook (54) and the Paderborner bishop Matthias king (49) are called from outside.

Also the name Augsburger of the bishop Anton Losinger (51) is already pleases. He is according to data of Loy „an high-intelligent man with graduation in theology and national economy “.

The secretary of the German bishop conference, Jesuitenpater Hans long villages (57) furthermore are called, and the directors/conductors citizens of Berlin of the Kommissariats of the German bishops, Prälat Karl Jüsten (47).

Then Loy becomes mysterious: In addition, perhaps „a theology professor originating from the diocese Münster is applicable, something is guessed/advised which from the field of vision last. “

Cultor: Everything decided

I believe, what the topic new bishop in Münster turns on, is everything already decided. If one expressions of different cathedral gentlemen and - belonging believe to give can, one waits only for the appointment Overbecks (still before Christmas to take place is). Also from the seminar are different tones listen, which point to it that everything are decided for it.
I am not completely safe, think however, the most important switches for the new bishop am posed. Remains waiting for which on one Friday around 12 in the next three weeks at the cathedral will happen.

LandorganistII: @rumpelstilz

I divide your opinion that times someone should come now from the outside.

Elijahu †: Hahaha

The Diözesanbibliothek is simply the hammer. 50 MILLION were times evenly spent on it. A close trusted friend of Lettmann meant times to me, if the broad mass would set that times into the correct relation had it to rebellions to actually come.

rumpelstilz: landorganist II

lettmann I divide your enthusiasm for bishop not completely, at the beginning was surely he someone, which brought much forward, but the last 10 years he somehow let above all run and people gotten, which are surely good, but the diocese not to have helped still above, some one as a minister of a normal municipality overtaxed, do not mean I would have been. and generalvikariat is simply only arrogant and besserwisserisch in many departments, as if the people would be down dumb. the sharpest thing is the new diözesanbibliothek, all tells it, it is to save, the municipalities become shortened, and then there such a block is put, which is not even beautiful. for whom is build actually meant, except which a monument wanted to set itself there? and then these herumfusioniererei without concept. that is nevertheless adventurous. thus, in any case one from the outside, that the cathedral place times durchpustet.

ralf fresena: Master Kadosch?

Possibly a lying brother with at least 20. I would mean degree (Loge); not as „“Marx, that is only Rotarier or with the Lions. In Münster already a little more pepper must sit behind it.
Best then equal as in the diocese Hildesheim 150!!! Perhaps churches make and as mosques to the Muslims verhökern.
I hope it come finally a farsighted Seelsorger with sufficient courage, behaviour and honest faith for the high chair. I have still the opinion, if we do not begin slowly to act, instead of talking importantly, are the Islam in at the latest 30 - 40 years the main religion in Germany, France and the Benelux countries.

LandorganistII: Poor Mathilde,

do you feel again once pursued, by bad freemasons and Rotariern? Poor girl!

I as Diözesane of the diocese Münster wish me a bishop, who comes from the Seelsorge, which white where the shoe presses the believer. And that may come gladly from outside. In addition oute myself I also fast as one, the bishop em. Reinhard much obliged and grateful is.

Elijahu †: The rector of my bischöflichen High School was also Rotarier

and priests. In addition it was member in one „club of the 500 “, or so similarly, also a freemason sect.

Once he said us in the school fair in the lecture, he wanted not to know which punishments him did not expect if he times before Christ to step would have. That he meant Ernst perfectly, a picture of the misery.

A history will remain unforgotten for me. Once the son „of a sponsor “of the school, which drugs took and a Lotterleben specialsame led, had held rich another pupil in the break a jumping measurer by the throat and had threatened him. The Stecher actual nothing - happened, had no consequences for it. The victim became - over the Büttel of the director - course-carry that one him of the school would schmeissen if he the thing make public.

But the correct hammer was the fact that the author rum-ran some weeks later and did not tell it would be anything happened because its father of the school new physics component systems would have donated in the value of 5000 euros. Which turned out also as truth. Mauschelei according to kind of freemason after the slogan: a hand washes the other one. And in such a way it happens in the diocese Münster at all corners and edges.

From the victim I know that he wants to have to do today with the RKK nothing more.

Mathilde: On the bishop proposal lists mostly superproportionally many Rotarier stand,

those as well known descendants of the freemasons are, so that the bishop conference is strongly interspersed by these. Are there all high-ranking places in banks, State of, hospitals, economics occupied with Rotarieren, feed our bishops regularly with these people, which are as a rule employers of the normal believers. Thus the bishops become alienated from their church people. The bishops still tell themselves, them could which for the believers take out, notice them not that they are taken in for immobilizing, so that the wire-pullers, whose work pulls the country through as with a spider net, can pursue unimpaired their goals. All important decisions, which entire personnel policy dominated, in order to switch Christ off by relating. Everything keeps running as had, only the internal core, which is Christ, is missing, is only nominal mentioned, because the actions speak another language. So that is not noticeable in such a way, a epikuräischer lifestyle is publicised. I hope, we gotten this time a holy-moderate bishop, who is to be found only on the side of its believers. A bishop is only Christ and him entrusted church people obligated.

rumpelstilz: new bishop…

announce me after longer time times again to word - the problem in Muenster is not the seminar, even if the criteria for choice are not always comprehensible, if one flies, but that is everything to probably not always explain. the problem is rather the cathedral place, which flocked bishop lettmann people around itself, which has few profile, naturally somehow conservatively, in addition, very mindfully on the own career, and none had the courage, which it looked for times the confrontation. there other interests were more important, to seilschaften. the most important was more jasager.
it must in any case someone from the outside purely, which is also courageous. more insider continue to agitate the pudding only, and thus is served none.

Mueller: @Ähnliche…

Lines were located in the Trieri people friend concerning a successor for Reinhard Marx, it seem perhaps even the same Grundschreiberling to have been, because even the candidates are identical!

LandorganistII: @Locdbc

Now, you seem to be also rather notorious me.

LOGDBC: Seminar for priests and bishop favorite

Of Münster seminar for priests is notorious in all of Germany. Me three „ex seminarists are well-known “, which lost due to the catastrophic conditions in the seminar for priests almost their faith and withdrew. Rosenkranz and worshipping were zumindestens in the year 2007 foreign words. To the readings read there I would not even like to express myself.

According to my modest opinion HE Weihbischof Matthias's king would be a stroke of luck for Münster. If it should come to its appointment, it would go uphill.

The present Diözesan administrator bishop Franz Josef Overbeck would be already a good portion.

Samurai: @ Elijahu

Please help me on the leaps!
Who responsible at the time in the diocese was Münster for the priest training?
I know several priests, who studied also in Münster, but that was a short while before.

Franz Kappes: Franz Kappes

I strike mean ministers forwards. It would be missing to me then however.

Elijahu †: Lettmann has the diocese Münster in such a manner into the sand set…

… that it would already require a divine interference that again to arrange.

A homosexual was ten years long responsible for the priest training and the seminar in reason and ground „modernized “under Lettmann.

Before its assumption of office the seminar was proppenvoll, after it is disappeared then with its loving over night into far widening, the corrupted structures was simply taken over and far-made as before. In addition-learned one in Münster apparent nothing.

From over 200 priest office candidates today still deplorable 30-40 remained.

Benedikt: @ for the church

Particularly I am glad that I do not stand in the church service. Because if one regards the whole conflicts and plots, one sometimes already loses the courage.

Tja, such statements would have to give to think each bishop - obviously is it however not like that. Which gives to think again.

for the church: @Benedikt: thank you for the explanation.

The election campaigns are not desirable probably. So I cannot introduce myself also in the church.

Then I feel nevertheless a little Nostralgie at the old time.

Naja, all the same. Our church is large, and the episkopale structure is unfortunately so a bureaucracy. That can change one as a layman few.

Fortunately there are still different forms: Communities, medal, Personalprälatur!

Thank God.

There I am already content as a normal layman, if I mean faith exercise may and the bishops zus. interfere with their apparatus not too much.

Particularly I am glad that I do not stand in the church service. Because if one regards the whole conflicts and plots, one sometimes already loses the courage.

Heggi: for the church

The people today is to be compared with a herd Rindviecher. That lets itself read off on the one hand from the public opinion polls. One one - one vote during the political process, that is already a disaster!

landorganistII: For the diocese Münster is nearly all the same it! Vorgrimmler is could not make there also more broken than already broken.

Benedikt: Cattle cattle

The bunch hat's do not believe I ironically meant…

LandorganistII: @Heggi

Their initial question is to be answered with a clear „“, which does not surprise naturally.

for the church: @Heggi: hopefully you mean it ironical.

If the people is equated with the cattle cattle, then we live now in a aristokratischen society.

Benedikt: @ for the church

Why can we select a layman not also a bishop, how it is in a democratic society everywhere the case?

As mad election campaigns as in the policy - which is it, which we absolutely also still need in the church. Say to me nevertheless times: Who has more chances on the chancellorship: A Volkstribun or a Apparatschik of the party system. If you want to have a people choice of the bishop, then permanently any Karrieristen from the large cities get the bishop hat. The Landbevölkerung would have no chance, because the ministers of the Nachbarpfarreien to nobody more admits there are. In the Urkirche was not that a problem, because there were municipalities there anyway only in the large cities. Today looks completely differently. And: They would select finally that, which is recommended to you by most Einflüsterern (media, layman organizations etc.).

Why do we have not one influence today as laymen at all more on church-political decisions?

Except the choice the herd of the Augustinus had also no power of decision. However one selected at that time still another bishop as herdsmen - today one would take a genehmen functionary, who disturbs as little a one as possible. One can read off that in the small from the medieval and modern bishop elections by the cathedral chapters, keyword: Choice surrenders.

@ Heggi
It is no question that there are also incompetent representatives among the bishops (any Couleur).

Heggi: for the church

vox populi, vox bovis

for the church: why don't select?

Why can we select a layman not also a bishop, how it is in a democratic society everywhere the case?

I mean, the Appropation of Rome must be presupposed, but Kandidate to call, under which one is then used from Rome as bishop, must be nevertheless possible?

Or does this conception offend against the valid church right?

I remember, because I read in the biography of Augustinus that he was intended from the laymen as a bishop. Why do we have not one influence today as laymen at all more on church-political decisions? As a little informed person interests me.

Heggi: Benedikt

Is nevertheless actually bad! My picture of a bishop agrees for a long time no more with the reality. Even if it can be a heavy sin, nevertheless I say it: Under these, which call themselves Bichöfe and it are also, there are so some rags.

Benedikt: Tja…

… with so a procedure obviously determined by the Proporzdenken lack are evenly pre-programmed.

philomena: hopefully not…

>Auch Augsburger bishop Anton Losinger (51) is already gefallen.<

I hope nevertheless it only one write error with kreuz.net am and not the message over the case of a bishop.

Heggi: Ruhrgebietler

Who knows! The holy spirit blows, where it wants…

more r.ruhrgebietler: unfortunately it does not become

FSSPX cleric its. With which then also the faith question is already clarified.

Heggi: Bishop von Münster

I am for Vorgrimmler! After its partner already some years on the cemetery of old person mountains lies (one considers the gravestone!), is it nevertheless at the latest now episkopabel, after the diocese was driven under Lettmann still more deeply into the ditch and therefore everything anyway is all the same now. Or do I lie there wrongly?

PietroParente: …

Who could this mysterious theology professor be???